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Sales vs. Insurance Knowledge: What's More Important?

Agents need both sales and technical training to be successful. You can’t have one without the other. But what’s the right mix?
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Agency producers are “drinking from a fire hose.”

That’s how Angelyn Treutel Zeringue, president of SouthGroup Insurance Gulf Coast in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi, describes the learning environment in the independent agency world: Technical knowledge is critical as new coverages, policy forms and risk exposures evolve, but building networking and sales skills is equally essential.

“The complexity that producers continue to deal with and the speed with which information flows today” make training indispensable, says Scott White, CEO at VAST, an agency with 10 producers and $5.5 million revenue in Marquette, Michigan.

Insurance sales legend John Savage used to say his technical skills contributed only 5% to his success, recounts Kenneth Fields, assistant vice president and director of sales development with The State Auto Insurance Companies—the other 95% he attributed to his people skills.

But Savage—who started a Toledo, Ohio life insurance agency that still thrives as one of the 100 largest insurance and financial service agencies in the U.S.—“would then go on to say the trick was you have to have 100% of the 5%,” Fields adds. Zeringue agrees that technical training “helps producers stay keen” to ensure they provide the best coverages and reduce their E&O exposure.

When training producers, what’s the right balance between sales training and the development of technical skills?

What’s the Mix?

“Technical skills are a given—a must-have,” says Fields, who’s helped train and coach 1,600 new property-casualty producers in the 19 years since co-founding State Auto’s PaceSetterSM sales development program. But he adds that those are “useless without the ability to communicate technical information to prospects in such a way that they can understand the value of the product or service. That requires sales skills.”

In the overall process of grooming a new producer, Doug Mills, vice president of Gillis, Ellis & Baker in New Orleans, believes you can’t separate sales training from technical training. “At its core, what we sell is our expertise on insurance products and how they can be applied to the client’s risk exposures,” he says. “You have to ‘know your stuff’ to be effective at sales.”

The two demands can form a chicken-or-egg question for some agencies. “The biggest hindrance to sales success early on is the fear that the producer will be found to not know what they are talking about,” Mills says of his eight producers under age 35.

“Sales is all about confidence, and until the confidence is established, sales will languish,” Mills agrees. “Confidence cannot be established until the producer has a firm grasp on the technical side of things.”

Jeff Wodicka, chairman & CEO of Casswood Insurance, also says the single biggest reason producers fail is lack of confidence. A longtime contributor to the training programs of The National Alliance for Insurance Education & Research, Wodicka explains that the organization once focused solely on insurance knowledge. But in the late 1980s, it broadened its mandate to help agents become “salespeople” rather than “order takers.”

“For many years, the independent agency system acquired technical knowledge, but didn’t have the other skills to move people from their status quo to where they should be to protect their families and businesses,” Wodicka says.

Wodicka, whose agency has nine producers, starts with sales training for new producers to build relationships, probing and objection-handling skills. Then, “we step in and start to train property insurance, liability insurance, workers comp insurance and so on” so the agent has the insurance skills, he says. “We’ve tried it both ways. We’ve gone in with two weeks of technical training—not as effective. It’s not chicken or egg—it’s circular.”

In or Out?

Some agencies have explored sales training from outside the industry. Zeringue says non-insurance programs for “soft skills” such as time management and sales excellence help make a producer well-rounded. “I’m a huge proponent of any training that advances computer skills for producers,” she says, citing examples like Internet marketing and social media strategy.

But while it can be productive, Fields notes that non-insurance-based sales training lacks the unique focus the insurance business requires.

“Because we essentially sell promises of a future benefit that may not ever be realized, the sale of insurance is very different than any other type of sale,” Fields says, adding that agents may “have difficulty applying sales techniques that are not specific to the insurance business.”

White agrees that “working within the industry has significant advantages over working outside the industry.” His caveat: “This is only because the industry is currently meeting our needs.”

Does it Work?

How can you tell producer training is effective? Mary Parsons, sales program manager, Chubb Personal Insurance, says effective training has three attributes: “deep industry knowledge from the presenters; relevant subject matter expertise and experience of the sponsoring firm; and an ability to help with post-classroom real-world application of the learning.”

White’s agency puts together one-, three- and five-year rolling plans with and for its producers, then matches these goals with resources such as sales training, team selling, quarterly sales summits and monthly one-on-one meetings between agent and mentor. The process “also includes learning in the field—that is and always will be important,” White says.

He adds that internal coaching and mentoring are critical to developing and maintaining the effectiveness and growth of producers. “Each of our advisors has a mentor or an accountability partner to work with, along with myself as sales leader and our business development coordinator,” White says.

How does he know the training is worth it? White says producers are succeeding when mutually defined goals are “consistently met or exceeded—we are a results- and performance-based business.”

Ronimarie Acord is an IA contributor.

Where to Train

From carriers to consultants to industry and agency classes, sources of insurance training and sales development abound. Which training provider makes the most sense for your agency?

Jeff Cavignac, president of Cavignac & Associates, favors training programs from insurance companies, including Travelers, Chubb and Liberty Mutual, as part of a formal training initiative that encompasses agency resources and external consultants.

Ryan Colvin, chief growth officer at Gibson Insurance, an employee-owned agency with four locations in Indiana, notes that carriers have been effective at “providing basic technical knowledge to some of our producers new to the business or fresh out of college.” The agency also supports designation-based learning, which Colvin says lays “a foundation that our team can build from as they get out in the field with senior producers.”

Among carriers, State Auto’s year-long PaceSetter program involves producers, their agency principals and their agencies, kicking off with a one-week on-campus program for both the producer and their “sponsor” at the agency. Designed for new producers in its 3,300 appointed agencies, PaceSetter then requires the producer regular check-in appointments via phone with a PaceSetter coach, an agency-based mentor and tracking of sales activities.

The Hartford School of Insurance, affiliated with the carrier, offers commercial lines and personal lines training programs as well as one-on-one sales coaching. Chubb Personal Insurance—which already offers training modules in technical, sales, service, business and leadership skills—is creating a new two-year training program that focuses on four learning areas: financial, industry, sales and business acumen.

According to Mary Parsons, sales program manager of Chubb Personal Insurance, the new program will blend instructor-led virtual classroom training for knowledge transfer, including case studies, a webcast series and mentoring for on-the-job application. Chubb also partnered with Wharton last year to launch its Certified Advisor of Personal Insurance program for agents serving the high net-worth segment.

Big “I” state associations are another education source. The Big “I” Excellence in Insurance awards for 2014 recognized 14 state associations (GA, FL, KS, MA, ME, MI, NH, NJ, NY, SC, WA, NE, NC and VA) as “Diamond” winners for class offerings, continuing education, professionalism, designation offerings and industry collaboration.

Consultants such as Sitkins Select specialize in the independent agency distribution channel, as do industry member organizations including The National Alliance and The Institutes. Chris Burand, president of Burand & Associates, a strategic consultant for independent agency principals, says agency experience with consultants can vary widely, but notes that agencies have had success with Polestar Performance Programs, C.R. Ekern & Co. and Sandler franchisees.

John Tiene, CEO of Agency Network Exchange, an agency cluster group based in New Jersey, says his organization runs sales training programs for its 44 members using consultant MarshBerry. One key issue is changing “people called producers that are really account managers” into sales professionals.

InCite Performance Group, a membership group that provides training, advice, networking and resources to 125 independent agencies, provides Cavignac’s agency with “the best training we get,” he says. Scott White, CEO at VAST, says his agency also uses InCite’s “Virtual Sales Management” program, and Doug Mills, vice president at Gillis, Ellis & Baker, uses InCite for basic sales training along with The Institutes’ producer training sessions to “jumpstart the learning process,” he says, adding that most training is done in-house.

“What young producers need more than anything is your time, access to your knowledge and the ability to see you apply that knowledge and experience,” Mills says. “Mentoring, in all its phases, is the key to new producer success.” —R.A.

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